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{"id":48219,"date":"2019-06-11T13:30:21","date_gmt":"2019-06-11T20:30:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/world.edu\/?p=48219"},"modified":"2019-06-11T13:30:21","modified_gmt":"2019-06-11T20:30:21","slug":"forgiving-student-loans-is-useless-without-punishing-the-thieving-schools","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/world.edu\/forgiving-student-loans-is-useless-without-punishing-the-thieving-schools\/","title":{"rendered":"Forgiving student loans is useless without punishing the thieving schools"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-48220\" src=\"https:\/\/world.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/student-credit-card-copy19.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"680\" height=\"252\" srcset=\"https:\/\/world.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/student-credit-card-copy19.png 680w, https:\/\/world.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/student-credit-card-copy19-250x93.png 250w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Another election is on the horizon, and already politicians are getting votes in the usual way: promising \u201cfree stuff.\u201d Normally, I\u2019m against the notion of getting something for \u201cfree\u201d from the government, but I have an exception for student loan forgiveness, for many of the victims of our higher education system.<\/p>\n<p>Lest the gentle reader think he detects the smell of\u2026hypocrisy, I point out that many student loans were for nothing, as the so-called education and degrees were bogus. So, the government isn\u2019t giving something (student loan forgiveness) for something (degrees and education), it\u2019s giving nothing (fake money created from nothing) for nothing (a worthless degree).<\/p>\n<p>Determining who exactly would be eligible for such forgiveness is straightforward: any student willing to forfeit his degree and all college credit, working at least 2 years in a job where the degree\/education is of no market value, should be eligible. That\u2019s just a stray thought, and I admit it has room for exploitation, and it\u2019s unlikely to be used because there\u2019s too much money to be made off kids suckered by this system. The student loan forgiveness idea has a bigger problem, however:<\/p>\n<p>The scammy schools (this includes, for-profit, non-profit, and state schools) are off the hook for ripping off students, and making a fortune off them even as the taxpayer was forced to provide that fortune via student loans.<\/p>\n<p>We can forgive the loans, but as long as we allow these types of schools to get away with it, we\u2019ll just have this problem again in a few years. In fact, the problem will be bigger\u2014if students know that mass forgiveness is likely to happen, they\u2019ll be willing to take out even bigger loans! So, the promise of student loan forgiveness by some political candidates is just typical government: creating bigger problems while trying to solve other problems government created (it\u2019s similar to how amnesty for illegal aliens, given in the past, has worked out for today\u2026).<\/p>\n<p>This is why when I mentioned student loan forgiveness, I also mention fixing accreditation\u2014every school taking student loan money is accredited, and accreditation rules can shut down those schools in a heartbeat any time they want\u2026just need to enforce the rules. I\u2019d love to claw back the money from the thieving schools (more accurately, the \u201cleaders\u201d of such schools), but I know that\u2019s politically and logistically difficult. Shutting them down is comparatively easier.<\/p>\n<p>A recent article in the Washington Examiner actually manages to express ideas I expressed years ago, though they know nothing of accreditation (forgivable, almost nobody knows anything about it), and never gets around to suggesting even roughly how to punish the schools:<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/opinion\/editorials\/theres-no-point-forgiving-student-loans-if-you-dont-punish-their-schools-greed\">There&#8217;s no point forgiving student loans if you don&#8217;t punish their schools&#8217; greed<\/a><\/strong><br \/>\nIt\u2019s certainly a good title, let\u2019s see what they have to say:<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/policy\/economy\/elizabeth-warren-calls-for-free-college-sweeping-student-loan-forgiveness-program\">Warren wants to eliminate some or all student debt<\/a> for those with incomes as high as $250,000. Those making less than $100,000 annually stand to benefit most, with forgiveness of up to $50,000 of student debt. She wants to finance this (of course) with a wealth tax on fortunes greater than $50 million.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Warren\u2019s ploy is a good one: we have around 50,000,000 voters with student loan debt, and average debt is around $30,000 (both numbers are rising fast). So, offering the equivalent of free money could capture 50,000,000 votes, not bad at all. I\u2019d hope those 50,000,000 are educated enough to know a critical theorem about the existence of free lunches, but I know about how very little most of them learned while racking up those debts.<\/p>\n<p><em>Until market discipline is imposed on free-spending and tuition-hiking college administrators, no amount of loan forgiveness will ever be enough to give students a fair deal for their money.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The above is certainly correct. You know how we\u2019ll get market discipline? End the student loan scam. The paper doesn\u2019t have the balls to say that. Oh well.<\/p>\n<p><em>This is also why Obama&#8217;s administration controversially, but to our mind admirably, cracked down on the many for-profit colleges that had sprung up to take advantage of the over-generous government subsidies that were coming ultimately at students&#8217; expense.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The paper nearly snaps its back putting praise on Obama but\u2026no. Student loan debt went up over half a trillion dollars under Obama\u2019s reign, well more than doubled. I sure don\u2019t recall any \u201ccrack down\u201d beyond one big school. I\u2019m not saying Obama is responsible for our student loan mess (he honestly isn\u2019t), but I\u2019m hard pressed to give him credit for slowing it down when all measures saw acceleration.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>The decline and fall of the traditional model of the university is probably just around the corner<\/strong>, and everyone should be cheering it on. Instead of propping up institutions whose relevance is already waning, government should support state-level efforts to make higher education more affordable through online learning and other means of modernization of reputable educational institutions.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&#8211;emphasis added<br \/>\nI\u2019m not convinced the paper is right about this. Gatherings of scholars, the traditional model of a university, have occurred in every civilization, over the course of thousands of years. Now, our system of student loans has warped this, and it\u2019s clear the paper believes \u201ctraditional model\u201d is the same as \u201ctoday\u2019s model.\u201d This is patently false. The days of today\u2019s model of the university (most places), as a central indoctrination center to push ideology and extract student loan money, are probably numbered, but the traditional model of gatherings of scholars is unlikely to end (in fact, proto-universities, of scholars gathering away from \u201ctraditional\u201d schools, are starting to form anew, these gatherings often supplemented by internet connection, of course).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOnline learning\u201d just isn\u2019t going to help, neither lowering prices nor addressing the real problem of worthless degrees, as I\u2019ve discussed in detail many times before.<\/p>\n<p><em>By expanding their educational programs to a broader base,\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve deleted the rest of the quote because of the sheer idiocy of it. We already have huge online schools, they already have a massive base\u2026and they\u2019re failing hard, burying students in student loan debt for worthless degrees. It\u2019s a real shame the paper doesn\u2019t know how easily accreditation could fix this problem, and an even bigger shame is the article doesn\u2019t allow comments so readers such as myself could help them out.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.professorconfess.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">www.professorconfess.blogspot.com<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Another election is on the horizon, and already politicians are getting votes in the usual way: promising \u201cfree stuff.\u201d Normally, I\u2019m against the notion of getting something for \u201cfree\u201d from the government, but I have an exception for student loan forgiveness, for many of the victims of our higher education system. 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